Question Catching COVID-19 (Omicron)

Omicron appears to have originated in mice, implying a laboratory origin.
 
You guys are throwing around the word "proportionate", but I'm not sure you're thinking correctly in terms of proportionate to what. Looking at the proportion of ICU patients that are vaccinated or unvaccinated tells you nothing about how the vaccine is working. Absolutely nothing.
 
The thing is, vaccine is like insurance, it is better to have it and not need it; rather than need it and not have it. If you are a total anti vaxxer then that is your right too, but then stay the fuck home so other people don't get exposed to your virus load sprayed with each breath. That is the common courtesy decent thing to do, and wear a mask when you are in public places too.
Allow me to repeat one more time. Transmission rates are similar for both vaxxed and unvaxxed, as is the viral load. The vaxxed enjoy no advantage and are just as likely to spread the virus. Just check out present-day stats which make it clear it's the vaxxed who are doing most of the spreading.
 
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Your mom and dad can live together and one can get COVID but not the other because of everyone's immune system being different. Vaccine or not. Your immune system is different from another person's.

Let me put it in a way you can understand, if you and your friend both BBFS the same girl, he gets herpes but you don't. Same exposure, different immune systems. There is no logic or reason for this, at lease none that scientists have offered us. So we are required to adopt "blanket" approaches like vaccination that "may" work for everyone.

You are right, it doesn't work the same for everyone, just like not everyone gets infected by the same virus subjected to the same exposure.

The thing is, vaccine is like insurance, it is better to have it and not need it; rather than need it and not have it. If you are a total anti vaxxer then that is your right too, but then stay the fuck home so other people don't get exposed to your virus load sprayed with each breath. That is the common courtesy decent thing to do, and wear a mask when you are in public places too.

I agree with you except for 2 things. First, all data shows both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry and spread the same viral load. Second, medicine isnโ€™t one size fits all. So by your logic we shouldnโ€™t be all receiving the same dose, or any dose at all.

Iโ€™m not an anti vaxxer. Just not sold on this one, and Iโ€™ve had Covid, so Iโ€™m good.


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You guys are throwing around the word "proportionate", but I'm not sure you're thinking correctly in terms of proportionate to what. Looking at the proportion of ICU patients that are vaccinated or unvaccinated tells you nothing about how the vaccine is working. Absolutely nothing.

Very true, but would you agree when/if we hit 85% vaccinated ICU patients, that will be proportional to the 85% of the vaccinated population?


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How much of a viral load a person carries is absolutely irrelevant for measuring effectiveness of the vaccine. Me, you and a door handle have the potential of carrying the same amount of viruses in our hands (surface for the doorhandle). Getting a vaccine does not reduce your physical capacity to carry the virus in any part of your body. Does this make sense to you?

The vaccine will not make you a "virus proof" flesh container of organs and fluids that is your body. You are not "teffloning" yourself to make all viruses slip right off you.

Does this logic make sense?

Yes, we were told if we get vaccinated we wouldnโ€™t get infected. Lets not rewrite history.

Iโ€™m glad we agree that we all carry the same viral load. Why do you suggest unvaxxed should stay home then?


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Very true, but would you agree when/if we hit 85% vaccinated ICU patients, that will be proportional to the 85% of the vaccinated population?


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You could have 100% of patients in the ICU be vaccinated and it still wouldn't say anything about the efficacy of the vaccine. You understand that right? As I said earlier, compare like numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated, that's the only way to measure this.

Transmission, is a whole other issue and I have not read anything that persuades me one way or the other about relative risks between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. My mind is open on that.
 
Because of the carefree and careless attitudes towards the sensitivities of others, and because if you are unvaxxed you have zero defenses against the virus and therefore you could be MORE LIKELY to carry it an not know you have it.

Like I said, insurance, would you feel safe knowing that uninsured drivers are on the same road as you everyday? WHY?

Everything you said can be applied to vaccinated people. They could be carrying it and not know it either.

If you want me to stay home for your sensitivities, thatโ€™s a you problem.


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You could have 100% of patients in the ICU be vaccinated and it still wouldn't say anything about the efficacy of the vaccine. You understand that right? As I said earlier, compare like numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated, that's the only way to measure this.

Transmission, is a whole other issue and I have not read anything that persuades me one way or the other about relative risks between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. My mind is open on that.

Weโ€™ve had tens of thousands of cases every day in Ontario for the last 2 weeks. It made headlines every day. Vaxxed and unvaxxed are getting infected equally. The vax has no efficacy against omicron, and waning efficacy on delta.

If 100% of ICU patients were vaccinated, we would definitively know the vaccinesโ€™ efficacy. One might even argue itโ€™s better to be unvaccinated.


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Im pretty sure nobody with half a brain believed the vaccine was 100% effective against catching or spreading covid.

I got my 2nd shot in October to be able to travel and I just had covid last week, which was nothing more than a mild cold for me. I wonโ€™t be getting any boosters.
 
@Frank Underwood - answer this logical question with logic.

If there was a contraceptive vaccine like Depo-Provera,

but after taking it, the woman had just as much of a chance of getting pregnant as someone who didn't take Depo-Provera,

and you as the man still had to wear a condom anyway, would you still take it? WHY? :rolf
 
Just give all rights and personal autonomy over to government and pharmaceutical oligarchs who are exempt form liability and consequence of actions.

What could go wrong?
 
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    ๐ŸŒบ๐Ÿ˜welcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800๏ผŒopen10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,๐Ÿ’„Mina is very friendly nice girl,providing deep tissue massage and nice body slide ๐Ÿ’„ new girl Mimi very good looking,big breasted service queen,girl friend experience,๐Ÿ’„Amy is long hair Vietnamese girl,open maid,she can do everything you want,must try,๐Ÿท๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿ‘call416-5000-800๐Ÿ’„
  36. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Tiana & Nayla are in today ๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„ Make Your Day Incredibly Delicious ๐Ÿ’„Tiana is a Beautiful Jamaican. Talented ๐Ÿ’‹Very Sexyโ€ฆ ๐Ÿ‘ Nayla is a Tall, Young, Beautiful & Curvy Spanish Girl. ๐Ÿ’‹ All Our Girls Provide Lots of E X T R A S & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— We're Open from 8am til Late Everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  37. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธIvy๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธBrandyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  38. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, ELLA & HELLEN. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude.
  39. AliceSpa:
    MONDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa, : HOLLY (11am-9pm) : is a young, pretty, slim & busty yoga instructor from Vietnam, standing 5โ€™4โ€ with C Cups. She has top services, bbbj ,cim, pussy slide, 69, SF2, water flute. Donโ€™t miss out! JULIA from Philippines, young girl, busty, E cup, curvy short body, cute face
  40. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Candy She is a Vietnamese๏ผŒ Face and body to die for. Her smile will make you melt. Sami Gorgeous Model Type Vietnamese School Girl She is 5โ€™ 2โ€ tall, 98 Lbs With D Cup Melons Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite school girl โ€จGFE, BBbj, DFK in her menu โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  41. See You Health Center:
    Lin Very Young, Petiteโ€จVietnamese Studentโ€จWith Spicy Slim Bodyโ€จ5โ€™ 1โ€, 100 lbs Blonde Hairโ€จGreat BBJ, CIM Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  42. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Zoe - ๐Ÿ”ฅStunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality w
  43. Forever Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’Ž๐Ÿ’Ž๐Ÿ’Ž We provide the BEST TABLE SHOWER IN TOWN: Clean room with reliable warm shower nozzle ๐Ÿ’Ž Ruby & Lisa (new) and Cindy are available ๐Ÿ’Ž 2190 Warden ๐Ÿ’Ž 416-800-7887 ๐Ÿ’Ž
  44. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Rose๐ŸŒน - A sexy new addition to our lin
  45. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž Monday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY & Tiny Spinner LALA CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary. Tiny LALA is an unbelievably good Superstar SPINNER, only 5โ€™2โ€ and 95 pounds beautiful face
  46. ASPA:
    ๐— ๐—ข๐—ก๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: EMMA and Best Massage RACHEL. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ EMMA is 1.64Cm. and weighs 52Kg. Emma is sweet and elegant, has very good communication & massage, and her services will make your visit enjoyable. RACHEL is slim and attractive
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Lisa, Ruby & Cindy. Lisa is a young, slim, friendly & very beautiful Vietnamese beauty with a nice body, nice 34D boobs, slim waist, impressive booty, nice massage, great services. RUBY is Singaporean, very slim, petite & sexy, speaks English well, & has great services.
  48. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute Lily 25โ€™s with curive body open mind and young sweet slime Yuki 30โ€™s open mind , young fun Ivy 30โ€™s with big buttocks 34 DD and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธAMY, CANDY & CINDY AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! New Today, ANDY is busty with long hair, a slim waist and slightly curvy sexy bum. She knows how to drive you wild.
  50. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Vivi, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Slim Chinese Lisa, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
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