Terrible Experience at Seduction (New girl Victoria)

[bbutter]

Well stay away from these white trash scam spas with undeserving whores. These trailer trash have some attitude problems

They’re not owned by white people. Asian.

 

[thunderfromdownunder]

I hear you but in this life, when you put things out there it enables others to pass judgment.

Well actually it's because this is a forum. He isn't writing an op-ed in the New York times.

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[Sweet you think]

Well actually it's because this is a forum. He isn't writing an op-ed in the New York times.

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No kidding smarty.

 

[Chubbypickle]

I think some guys have a set amount in mind they're willing to pay for extras. Let's say $100. and to them anything beyond that is ludicrous. And there are some guys who, when they have a case of blue balls, are willing to fork out $150 - $200 and even more and i think that infuriates the guys who dont think pussy is worth more than $100.

I hate to admit but I've paid $150 on top of the door fee and had a mediocre session at best so the amount you spend on pussy is not relative to the quality of the girl or the session. Just happens to be the game we are in. They set the price and we are the ones who decide to spend it or not. I've been quoted $400 for FS at SR and politely declined and enjoyed the body slide and HJ went on the hunt another day, hopefully remembering to research better next time.

 

[imthedude]

Yeah, I know, but spas are worst.

Isn't the canonical example a used car dealer?

https://genius.com/John-steinbeck-chapter-7-the-grapes-of-wrath-annotated

 

[Ursus]

In Japan, if you are in the room for 10 minutes and not happy with the session, they apologize to you, bow many times and give you 100% of your money back.

Seriously, they do.

 

[Ursus]

If the girls not willing to suck and fuck with enthusiasm, they shouldnt be in the spa at all.

My Avatar, Paris Valentine, who I just saw 2 days ago, will do it all for $140 and $240.

Just saying.

And yes, that's her real picture.

 

[luvnewpussy]

Pepsi vs coke
BMW vs Benz
Samsung vs LG
Nike vs Adidas
cibc vs Td
LV vs GUCCI

Get it ..

End results are the same..how you get there is diffrent ..how its marketed is different. Each feed a diffrent primary driver for there customers.

Seduction is not Premire and Premire is not Seduction. That's why there both the primary spas on the forum talked about and visited. Becuase there not trying to mimic each other. Other spas try to mimic there business model.

 

[dtm1973]

There is very clearly a middle ground that has been explained to you multiple times. I feel like rather than informing people you posted this to get validation and are upset that you didn't get it. Well, tough tits.

Yup - while I dont full agree with the compensation offered, you were out $60. I would be OK with that.
When people didnt raise their hands in the air screaming and yelling for your cause, you claimed we were attacking you - we were not. I offered a different way to handle it - how I would handle it.

If you have to worry about $60 you need to scale back your hobby - I always walk in with $400 ... never know what to expect. As soon as you start haggling the business transaction starts to get the feel of running a garage sale in brampton - you just want to chase away all the people offering you a dollar for your $50 items. You enquired about a duo, balked at the price, then inquired about FS and balked at the price.

Learn the art of the deal - have a graceful way out if it isnt right for you.

 

[luvnewpussy]

Exactly..this guys a amateur.

For the rest of you cheapos reading this post

I dont walk into Premire or sedcution with nothing less than 300 extra for tips when its a new session with a new girl

If shes my regular girl I'm booking with. I bring what shes used to me paying based on the service she provides. Not based what the standard rate is. I get solid session 100% of the time when she sees me. Gradually giving me more and more.

Many girls need to see your not a penny pincher and you are willing to reward them for extra effort they put in. I can't count the sessions I've had that started out with everything covered and no DFK.
Then ended up with bbbjcim or anal and even bb and this is with girls who have no history of providing such services.

Story 1
Right before the shut down I was at my favorite spa. Had a session with my regular and saw a new girl..i asked to be introduced..she was sooo fucking hot I made new appt for later the same night.. i find out I will be her 3rd appt since she started working there (first day) . She entered broke the ice and started with DFK for like 10min..takes off her clothes while kissing me .then ask me to lay on the massage table..told her what I wanted she said she was only comfortable with cbj..I asked her how much she wanted ..she said 150 for bbbj . I told her no that's too much for just bbbj. Asked her What would she do for 300 if bbbj is 150 She said 300 and she would give me everything bare as long as I dont cip and no anal. Still cant get over how hot she was.
Deal..i checked my funds but fuckkkkkkkk
I didnt have the full cash since I was there earlier and gave it to my regular. 30 minutes already passed..I told her I dont have it all. She said next time bring 300 "u could fuck my brains out". She said dont pay her anything . Give her 150 told her put towards the 300 session. She smiled..DFK goodbye kiss and shares when shes working agian so I can book. Then fucking COVID hit. Shes still not back on schedule..

Story 2
I had a recent session with a MPA. Shes one of the top 5 hottest girls at this spa. ( yes I left out which spa) During my 5th session with her the condom broke in the heat of pounding her.. She said I can continue but she wants 300 tip. Tried to get her down to 250 she said "no I won't do bb for that .give me 350 and you can continue bb and I can cip" ..well guess what I did. . She offered only because she knew I could afford her price point and never skimped on tipping her .If she knew I was a cheapo she would not have even offered it.

No I'm not talking about the usual suspects who offer up these kinds of extras which everyone knows. Do a simple forum search its The same girls that show up . My girls no one talks about..no posts about there slutty ways..no posts on them offering such services..only post about providing covered services and limited options, there are many girls who none of you talk about that have serviced me beyond belief. I have there numbers.. been to there condos ..no Not naive to think I'm the only one but I know shes choosing who shes offering it to based on who she thinks can pay it. and I'm good with that.

Now what has haggling done for the OP.
Victoria wont definently see him agian..the girl he wanted to do the duo with wont see him either. The receptionist knows he's a cheap ass. Your name is trashed in the back room . All because $60 extra was too much to pay..

Bottom line
Fucking hot young girls cost money
Never negotiate a duo.. just pay it.
Never haggle over her fee ..pay it, decline it,..or offer more money to see her limit.

Theres a saying ..if you go to the Lamborghini dealership and ask "hey how much does it cost" you can't afford it.

Money is always the motivator

 

[8inchofsunshine]

Lol I saw Victoria when she debuted. She was fine! I love a big booty and a lady who can take dick. Shes not bad folks!

 

[HugeReaction]

Gents,

I just made a second account, as I do not wish the disclose my identity with my main account. I’ve been enjoying this hobby for more than 3 years now, have many reviews here, and I just had my worst experience at seduction spa (Keele) location and with their new girl Victoria.

So I had originally asked for Victoria for 45 minutes. I went in and asked the manager if there are any duo possibilities... she says let me go ask the girls if anyone is comfortable. She comes back in a few minutes and says Britney could join you but you have to pay this much more + this much more tip for both girls. I considered for a bit and said ok I think I’m just gonna stick with Victoria tonight.

I go into the room and Victoria comes in with her breath stinking of alcohol (turn off), but I didn’t say anything and acted like I was very happy with what I’m seeing. Then she says so have you been to the spa before? I say yes, many times. She says well you know what you want? (very business like). I say yes, I want full service. She’s like ok let me think... we have 45 minutes... so that’s gonna be 180(!)... I was naturally surprised and said I normally pay 100 for FS, even in one hour long sessions. She gives me this look like I have murdered her family and she goes WELL THATS NOT GONNA WORK FOR ME! all the while, her stinking breath is not helping. So I go ok well then let’s just do a normal teasing session. She’s like fine! Lay on your back! I said (in a playful way) can just have fun without the massage? She says well you said you want a normal session! I cannot stress how confrontational her tone was in all of these exchanges. So she’s like OK FINE! Grabs my guy and starts jack hammer. I’m like hold on go easy. Could you tease me. She’s like well you said you wanna have fun the whole time! I’m like hold on, why are you being so difficult? Did I offend you? She’s like “well first you come in and you say you want to do a duo with my friend. AND YOU WERENT EVEN SERIOUS! Then you’re trying to get my services for cheap. Of course I’m mad” I’m like well I’m just asking about my options...What's wrong with that? then she grabs my guy again and jack hammer and finished me in 5 minutes. Then says I’ll be back.... I knew she’s not coming back. I put on my clothes and walk out and go to the manager (her name was Lisa). I politely said can I please speak with you and she’s like yes give me a second. She helps another customer and then comes back and says ok what happened?! Turns out Victoria had already spoken with her and intended to leave me in the room on my own(!). At first she was also giving me this look like I had murdered Victoria’s family! So I patiently explained and told her I apologize but I have to be detailed with my description. I told her everything (more detailed than above) and her facial expression changed.

Keep in mind that I was in the room for only 10 minutes. She said ok I’m very sorry for your experience. what I can do is to “make your session a 30 minutes session” and refund you 40 bucks and give you a credit of 40 bucks for next time. I said “I was in the room for only ten minutes. I am not going to visit your establishments ever again if you do not fix this. I have spent so much money in this place”. She said ok let me call the owner. I only have so much power as a manager. She leaves and keeps me wait for another 5-7 minutes. Comes back and repeats what she had said previously(!) with two twenties in her hand and puts them in my hand and repeats “Ok, so we can give you 40 back to make your session a half an hour session and give you 40 dollar credit for your next visit” I got up and threw the 40 bucks on the table and said keep your forty bucks, I am not going to visit your spa again. She looked very surprised (!). I told her 40 bucks is not gonna make me rich and is not gonna make your establishment flourish. It’s about the principle... and walked out. Worst spa experience in all my hobbying experiences over the years. I should also add that I am young fella and in very good shape and my hygene is great.

Have had a few not so great experiences at airport location as well and have seen bad reviews of Seduction spa on this board as well. But I think this experience was the last straw for me. I won’t be visiting seduction ever again and I suggest the same to fellow hobbyists. An experience like this will never happen at premier or flirt. Those guys are pros... Don't get me wrong. I think sometimes there could be friction between the client and the MP... It comes down to how the manager and how the owner are willing to fix it in order to respect your business, maintain it, and even increase it.

I think girls at seduction really need to understand that they are getting paid, very handsomely i might add, to provide a professional service. We are not at a bar or a party to get drunk, get paranoid and offended, and have illogical arguments with the client with stinking breath...

Have a good night gentlemen.

I went into that same place (Keele) one night many years ago. I think it might have been a long weekend and there were tons of dudes in the waiting area. As a walk-in I waited and waited to get some help from the front desk to see who's available for a session. 20 minutes, half hour, I get frustrated and head for the door. The front receptionist stops me and asks "where you going?" Still half interested and horny I said I need to go to a bank machine to get cash. She goes, 'oh yeah, you'll need that make sure you come back with lots of cash!" I sensed the attitude there - money and not service at all. I left and never returned.

 

[Deleted member 79939]

I went into that same place (Keele) one night many years ago. I think it might have been a long weekend and there were tons of dudes in the waiting area. As a walk-in I waited and waited to get some help from the front desk to see who's available for a session. 20 minutes, half hour, I get frustrated and head for the door. The front receptionist stops me and asks "where you going?" Still half interested and horny I said I need to go to a bank machine to get cash. She goes, 'oh yeah, you'll need that make sure you come back with lots of cash!" I sensed the attitude there - money and not service at all. I left and never returned.

Are guys waiting in the waiting room at this place or other similar a common thing?
Isn't that embarrassing ?

 

[snoopdoggie]

I went into that same place (Keele) one night many years ago. I think it might have been a long weekend and there were tons of dudes in the waiting area. As a walk-in I waited and waited to get some help from the front desk to see who's available for a session. 20 minutes, half hour, I get frustrated and head for the door. The front receptionist stops me and asks "where you going?" Still half interested and horny I said I need to go to a bank machine to get cash. She goes, 'oh yeah, you'll need that make sure you come back with lots of cash!" I sensed the attitude there - money and not service at all. I left and never returned.

You'll need plenty of cash for the privilege of sitting in the waiting area.

 

[snoopdoggie]

Are guys waiting in the waiting room at this place or other similar a common thing?
Isn't that embarrassing ?

You never sat in the waiting area before? Or you never went to a Spa before?

 

[Kawailuvr]

Gents,

I just made a second account, as I do not wish the disclose my identity with my main account. I’ve been enjoying this hobby for more than 3 years now, have many reviews here, and I just had my worst experience at seduction spa (Keele) location and with their new girl Victoria.

So I had originally asked for Victoria for 45 minutes. I went in and asked the manager if there are any duo possibilities... she says let me go ask the girls if anyone is comfortable. She comes back in a few minutes and says Britney could join you but you have to pay this much more + this much more tip for both girls. I considered for a bit and said ok I think I’m just gonna stick with Victoria tonight.

I go into the room and Victoria comes in with her breath stinking of alcohol (turn off), but I didn’t say anything and acted like I was very happy with what I’m seeing. Then she says so have you been to the spa before? I say yes, many times. She says well you know what you want? (very business like). I say yes, I want full service. She’s like ok let me think... we have 45 minutes... so that’s gonna be 180(!)... I was naturally surprised and said I normally pay 100 for FS, even in one hour long sessions. She gives me this look like I have murdered her family and she goes WELL THATS NOT GONNA WORK FOR ME! all the while, her stinking breath is not helping. So I go ok well then let’s just do a normal teasing session. She’s like fine! Lay on your back! I said (in a playful way) can just have fun without the massage? She says well you said you want a normal session! I cannot stress how confrontational her tone was in all of these exchanges. So she’s like OK FINE! Grabs my guy and starts jack hammer. I’m like hold on go easy. Could you tease me. She’s like well you said you wanna have fun the whole time! I’m like hold on, why are you being so difficult? Did I offend you? She’s like “well first you come in and you say you want to do a duo with my friend. AND YOU WERENT EVEN SERIOUS! Then you’re trying to get my services for cheap. Of course I’m mad” I’m like well I’m just asking about my options...What's wrong with that? then she grabs my guy again and jack hammer and finished me in 5 minutes. Then says I’ll be back.... I knew she’s not coming back. I put on my clothes and walk out and go to the manager (her name was Lisa). I politely said can I please speak with you and she’s like yes give me a second. She helps another customer and then comes back and says ok what happened?! Turns out Victoria had already spoken with her and intended to leave me in the room on my own(!). At first she was also giving me this look like I had murdered Victoria’s family! So I patiently explained and told her I apologize but I have to be detailed with my description. I told her everything (more detailed than above) and her facial expression changed.

Keep in mind that I was in the room for only 10 minutes. She said ok I’m very sorry for your experience. what I can do is to “make your session a 30 minutes session” and refund you 40 bucks and give you a credit of 40 bucks for next time. I said “I was in the room for only ten minutes. I am not going to visit your establishments ever again if you do not fix this. I have spent so much money in this place”. She said ok let me call the owner. I only have so much power as a manager. She leaves and keeps me wait for another 5-7 minutes. Comes back and repeats what she had said previously(!) with two twenties in her hand and puts them in my hand and repeats “Ok, so we can give you 40 back to make your session a half an hour session and give you 40 dollar credit for your next visit” I got up and threw the 40 bucks on the table and said keep your forty bucks, I am not going to visit your spa again. She looked very surprised (!). I told her 40 bucks is not gonna make me rich and is not gonna make your establishment flourish. It’s about the principle... and walked out. Worst spa experience in all my hobbying experiences over the years. I should also add that I am young fella and in very good shape and my hygene is great.

Have had a few not so great experiences at airport location as well and have seen bad reviews of Seduction spa on this board as well. But I think this experience was the last straw for me. I won’t be visiting seduction ever again and I suggest the same to fellow hobbyists. An experience like this will never happen at premier or flirt. Those guys are pros... Don't get me wrong. I think sometimes there could be friction between the client and the MP... It comes down to how the manager and how the owner are willing to fix it in order to respect your business, maintain it, and even increase it.

I think girls at seduction really need to understand that they are getting paid, very handsomely i might add, to provide a professional service. We are not at a bar or a party to get drunk, get paranoid and offended, and have illogical arguments with the client with stinking breath...

Have a good night gentlemen.

The front desk whores at seduction are all friends with the attendants ! Seduction is nothing more than an absolute rip off spa
STOP USING THEM
Go to the premier chain

 

[alchemy]

Dude I gave up on these expensive spas a long time ago. Now I just stick to Asian spas or other cheaper alternatives in case I do get scammed there won't be too much damage. I tend to stick to the girl who is smiling and happy when they greet me. I think you should do the same to get the best bang for your bucks. I also will try to avoid neurotic, tattooed, crazy, and drugged-out girls all the time at the MPA scene.

can you please recommend an asian spa?

 

[Avoid_SeductionSpa_RipOff&STDs]

Avoid Seduction spa! More and more guys are waking up and starting to talk about how much of a rip off Seduction is. Fake MPAs that are ex strippers charging obscene amounts for sub par service. We as a community need to band together and withhold our cash from these white trash Seduction bitches. Send them a message that they arent the only game in town.

 

[cupcrazy]

In Japan, if you are in the room for 10 minutes and not happy with the session, they apologize to you, bow many times and give you 100% of your money back.

Seriously, they do.

it may be true but we are in Canada and not JAPAN>

 

[cupcrazy]

Dude I gave up on these expensive spas a long time ago. Now I just stick to Asian spas or other cheaper alternatives in case I do get scammed there won't be too much damage. I tend to stick to the girl who is smiling and happy when they greet me. I think you should do the same to get the best bang for your bucks. I also will try to avoid neurotic, tattooed, crazy, and drugged-out girls all the time at the MPA scene.

there are a lot of garbage asian spas. Heck a lot of asian mpas want you burst and leave asap.